Pick’n’mix

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Harry’s Place reports that the IDF is taking inspiration from anti-semitic images to bite Israel’s enemies on the ass. 

PZ Myers laments the lack of critical thinking in a recent BBC article on a cuckoo creationist museum in the US of A. 

More neo-fascist madness in Italy.

Paul Cotterill is asking Compass what happened to its (ludicrously named, IMO) ‘How to live in the 21st century’ competition and where his prize is?

Tom Harris on Tories apparently complaining that David Cameron is a “Stalinist” for punishing some (not all) of his MPs caught fiddling expenses.

And finally Hopi Sen is angry about the Times exposing the identity of Orwell prize-winning blogger Jack Night. What is it with the Murdoch press and this enthusiasm for naming anonymous bloggers? I remember a few years ago it was a Sunday Times hack who revealed the name of the woman behind the Girl With a One Track Mind blog. I wonder if these journalists take pride and pleasure in their work and the misery it can cause for bloggers.

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8 Responses to “Pick’n’mix”

  1. Stewart Cowan Says:

    Thanks for the link to PZ Myers. As I commented there:

    Straight in with the straw man, PZ Myers, about Westminster Abbey. You take a quote from a retired businessman, not a Creation scientist, and use that in your ‘argument’.

    It’s not big and it’s not clever.

    The BBC is biased, even prejudiced, against Christians, so they wouldn’t knowingly do us a favour if they could help it.

    “…creationism is bunk and its proponents are ignorant..”

    That’s all you have is it?

    Judging by the other comments, the snigger-factor wins over science with evolutionists.

    What evolutionists cannot stand is:

    a) people dare to have a different opinion, and more importantly,

    b) what we believe necessitates the existence of a Creator and by extension, that means we are here for a purpose and will be judged for our sins.

    I guess this denial of reality is what aids evolutionists to become filled with hatred and fear. Of course a belief in evolution is what prompted the Nazis to attempt to create a Master Race.

    You fear what you don’t understand. You fear to confront the truth and instead hide behind a theory that becomes more discredited as our knowledge of science increases.

  2. captainjako Says:

    “The BBC is biased, even prejudiced, against Christians, so they wouldn’t knowingly do us a favour if they could help it.”

    Total madness. I have little time for such a victimhood-mentality. When Songs of Praise is cancelled maybe, just maybe, I’ll consider this argument rather than dismissing it instantly as the baseless rantings of a paranoid mind.

    “I guess this denial of reality is what aids evolutionists to become filled with hatred and fear. Of course a belief in evolution is what prompted the Nazis to attempt to create a Master Race.”

    Ah yes, the old ‘let’s accuse our intellectual opponents of being Nazis’ strategy. Doesn’t seem at all dishonest and desperate, oh no.

    “You fear to confront the truth and instead hide behind a theory that becomes more discredited as our knowledge of science increases.”

    I was unaware that science was producing evidence supporting the thesis that the world was created in 6 days by your friend in the sky with the big beard. What will you be claiming next? That “as our knowledge of science increases the theory that the Earth is round becomes more discredited”?

    All proper scientists are uncomfortable with claims of absolute truth. Be gone, fraud!

  3. Stewart Cowan Says:

    Ooh, Songs of Praise – the BBC’s weekly quasi-Christian offering. We’re not worthy!

    It’s not a “victimhood-mentality,” it’s a fact. The BBC have already admitted to being pro-Islam and anti-Christian.

    Are you saying the eugenics movement, parts of which have gained ‘acceptability’ and even ‘respect’ today, is not rooted in the same worldview that inspired the Nazis’?

    Hardly dishonest to point out the dangers of the evolutionists’ worldview.

    Sorry if you’re a moral relativist. You won’t want to admit to truths in case you have to do something about it. You’re missing out.

    BTW, the Earth is described as round in the Old Testament. We now know it is also technically an oblate spheroid.

    I’m no fraud, Mr Piltdown Man!

  4. captainjako Says:

    “Ooh, Songs of Praise – the BBC’s weekly quasi-Christian offering.”

    Could it not be that you are conflating your personal interpretation of Christianity with Christianity in general, and that it is your particular brand of Christianity which does not enjoy much attention from the BBC because it is a minority view?

    When did the BBC admit to being pro-Islam and anti-Christian? Surely you are not one of these bigots who are taking the appointment of a Muslim as the Beeb’s Head of Religion as an act of blasphemy that’s going to send the nation to hell in a handcart?

    “Hardly dishonest to point out the dangers of the evolutionists’ worldview.”

    It is ridiculous to insinuate that people who agree with the theory of evolution are akin to Nazis and hold a similarly dangerous worldview. Look up Godwin’s Law.

    I mean, it would be like me banging on and on about the persecution of heretics (especially those like Galileo whose scientific enquiries questioned the Church’s dogma) carried out by Christians and other religionists over many centuries and insisting that advocates of creationism are therefore similarly dangerous. But that gets boring and I try to treat people who hold opposing views to my own with a bit more respect.

    “Sorry if you’re a moral relativist. You won’t want to admit to truths in case you have to do something about it. You’re missing out.”

    Your approach to seeking knowledge is wholly (holy?!) unscientific. There is no way that anyone, in your eyes, can test creationism because your beliefs are dependent upon the sanctity of an old book supposedly inspired by a supernatural being whose existence is conveniently impossible to disprove as he (or she?) is invisible and works in mysterious ways and all that jazz.

  5. Stewart Cowan Says:

    People like you are funny. The 35 minutes of ‘Songs of Praise’ is a token gesture and that’s all. I have known many agnostics who watch the show for a little spiritual uplift. Do you begrudge them?

    Basically, the BBC hates Christians, Americans, the British and doesn’t care much about heterosexuals or families. See
    here
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    In this case, comparison to Nazi ideology is completely logical. Nazi eugenics and today’s eugenics that are dressed up as ‘choices’ are both due to the same worldview.

    Respect? Like “cuckoo creationist museum”.

    “there is no way that anyone, in your eyes, can test creationism…”

    There are two basic worldviews. Creationism and Darwinism (for want of a better word). Science only goes so far in demonstrating either of these. They are both belief systems.

    The Theory of Evolution looked enticing a century and more ago, but more recent discoveries like DNA prove that life is far more complex than Darwin et al could possibly have imagined.

    Darwin also admitted that a danger to his Theory was a lack of fossils demonstrating intermediate forms. We still have that problem today.

    I’m sure if Charles Darwin is looking down on us today he’ll be saying, sorry I was wrong – look at the evidence – there is so much I couldn’t possibly have known in 1859.

  6. captainjako Says:

    “Basically, the BBC hates Christians, Americans, the British and doesn’t care much about heterosexuals or families”

    LOL.

    Science, as an approach to gaining knowledge, can be used to provide evidence supporting Darwin’s theory of evolution.

    How can science be used to demonstrate creationism in any way at all? You have not answered my question on how I could possibly test and disprove creationism to you, as it all relies on stories in a book.

    The difference between evolution and creationism, of course, is that the theory of evolution is testable.

    Therefore of course there is stuff that Darwin “couldn’t possibly have known in 1859”, as the scientific approach does not claim to bring absolute knowledge and ‘The Truth’. Scientists are not scared to admit that they do not know everything.

    It is frankly ludicrous to try to say that because Darwin didn’t know about DNA he would have concluded that his efforts at understanding evolution were pointless and he should therefore happily accept everything written in the Bible.

    The creationist museum is totally cuckoo because it even rejects the ‘intelligent design’ approach which at least tries to compromise with science and modernity.

  7. captainjako Says:

    Are you a Young Earth Creationist who believes the world is only around 10,000 years old – a figure that contradicts all the claims of geology, astronomy, archaeology, etc – because that’s what a strict interpretation of the Bible says? (And if you’re not going to have a strict interpretation of ‘the word of God’ what’s the point of taking it seriously at all, eh?)

  8. Stewart Cowan Says:

    Hello,

    Interesting discussion about this going on at my place. People don’t seem to know nearly as much as they think they do.

    Science demonstrates that the universe is not as old as you think it is via:

    short period comets (unless you believe in the Oort Cloud)
    planets that should have cooled down by now
    galaxies that should have spun out of shape

    As far as here on earth is concerned, there is nothing that proves it is billions of years old.

    Obviously, if you believe your great-great-great (x thousands) grandparents swung through the trees and they in turn are descended from slime, then a long, long age is necessary for the theory to work.

    The TofE requires circular reasoning to make it work.

    If the TofE is false, then what have you got left?

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